Echelon: Love Me or Hate Me, We're Stuck With Each Other
I feel like, the longer you are a fan, an Echelon of 30 Seconds to Mars, the more jaded and pessimistic you become over the entire experience that is 30 Seconds to Mars.
If you look at the Echelon who have been around the longest, they’re the most cynical bunch you will ever meet. To them, nothing is as good as the S/T, yet they still hang around other Echelon and still listen to ABL and TIW. But not without bitching and moaning how today isn’t like the good old days and how they miss what things were like back then.
If you found Mars after S/T and during ABL, you are just one of those fakes and people who jump on bandwagons. If you found them in this new era of TIW, you’re especially fake and you’re just a pop fangirl newbie. To these, our oldest and what are supposed to be the Echelon we should be able to look up to, no one is as good as them and nothing the band does will be as good as “the old days.”
Unfortunately, because of these attitudes that the majority of this crust of Echelon, many newer Echelon and newer fans of the band, and those who are checking the band out, are being scared away, mocked, and picked on.
When we say we are a family, its true. And unfortunately, this fraction of the oldest Echelon are like the snotty, overindulged, spoiled older sibling or cousin of our family. They are making the littlest and youngest of our brothers and sisters feel like shit for not hearing the band when they were 9 years old or 14 even.
It is especially the youngest, in the literal sense, that find themselves the victims of verbal backlash on the boards (OB) when they try to assimilate themselves with the older groups, both literal and figurative S/T crust.
Most of the Underground and S/T group are older than 18, and in most cases, older than 24. This is because, if they were Underground, finding Mars in 1998 or so and they are between 25 and 30 now, they would have had the median age of 15 to 20, the SAME age group that is finding Mars today and that was finding Mars 5 years ago when ABL was released.
Myself, I was 9 during the Underground era and 13 when the S/T was released. There was absolutely no way for me to find Mars at that time. Even if I’d wanted to do the searching on the not-so-user-friendly version of the Internet back then, I wouldn’t have been able to, seeing as I did not have the net then. These older crusts of Echelon cannot judge me, and others, for being born in 1989 and not 1979 like the majority of the snobs that are out there.
At the same time I criticize the older Echelon for their upturned noses, there is some chastising that needs to be doled out to the newer groups.
Those who found Mars during the in between of ABL and TIW and the newest TIW Echelon do complain A LOT at how tight-knit the circles are on the OB and within the other Echelon social spheres. Most of the Echelon who came during the 4 video cycle of ABL have come to realize this and accept it already, but it still rubs raw from time to time.
The newer crusts of Echelon need to realize that there was a past before them. These people have known each other for years, they have been through much together. There is so much history within their groups, within the OB and with the band that some of us have no idea happened. They need to accept that and take it graciously.
Its okay to ask about it and learn, but you shouldn’t be bitching about it and saying that they’re purposely not letting you in.
You and your closest, best friends have little inside jokes that only the two or three of you would get, yes? Imagine trying to tell a newcomer the joke and them not getting it. Its awkward. So many of the oldest Echelon groups will purposely keep it to themselves to save the headache.
What the newest of our Echelon family needs to do is tread the water slowly if they want to play in the waters of the OB and of the S/T and Underground groups. Go slow and start at the bottom and work your way up. If you’re on the boards, start in the newbie threads and the game threads. The safe, random conversations. Don’t just jump into the huge threads that are obviously inside jokes, and event threads. Even the tour threads are okay. Just realize that there are safe zones.
Its always safest to just be yourself, especially with the ABL crowds. We understand the rejection and irritation you feel when it comes to trying to assimilate yourself with older Echelon. We feel you, little brother/sister.
Older Echelon, you seriously need to pull the stick from your asses.
Not only do you seem to have an issue with the band getting new fans, you seem to have issues with the band growing up and changing. All I ever seem to see is “This new shit sucks. S/T all the way” and bullshit like that. They’re not 28 anymore (well, Tomo’s a bit different, obviously).
Fine. You don’t like ABL or TIW. But why are you on a band’s OFFICIAL board trashing them? How can you call yourself Echelon or part of the Mars Army if you’re only a fan of ONE album and you are constantly bitching about the band’s actions, music, how they dress, who they do interviews with, and how they do their concerts?
What are you doing here?
You don’t have to like everything the band makes or everything they do, but when you constantly trash on them and are always criticizing with nothing decent to say…(Besides, “omg, 93 Million Miles is the best”.) Seriously.
Its these attitudes that’s turning off so many people. Not only the newest of our family, but even the older ones, like a few of the S/T group and the ABL people are disgusted with the way you act and treat others and the band. I’ve seen some of the most dedicated people quit being Echelon and dissimulate themselves from the ranks just because they don’t want to be associated with these people and their attitudes.
Guys, I know you love how things were. It was great. And you don’t have to necessarily lose all of it. But. You need to learn to share and accept that time moves forward for everything and everyone. Even Mars.
And you don’t have to be all prickles and thorns to the newbies. You were once new too. The only difference is, there was no one to really snub you and say you “just didn’t get it.”
And this, I know, is a side of the Echelon the band doesn’t really see.
They may know about the surface, but they’ll never truly know the discontent that lurks beneath the surface.